[Mon Nov 06 11:26:04 CST 2000] Smezz (MD): Evans, Johnson Host VKN in AL> Smezz!!!!!! How are you this Monday? Smezz (MD)> fine, and you? Smezz (MD)> How was your weekend? [Mon Nov 06 11:28:37 CST 2000] oshayc has no profile. Smezz (MD)> hi oshayc oshayc> hi Host VKN in AL> OSHAY WELCOME and Greetings to you oshayc> this is the 1st time someone other than me has been in here Host VKN in AL> Oshay tell us where you are located geographically? oshayc> st louis oshayc> originally from mississippi Smezz (MD)> Who and where are you researching? oshayc> campbells in mississippi oshayc> i'm stuck in the 1880 census oshayc> cant find my relatives in the 1870 census 1880 throws lots of people Oshay. oshayc> i can find them from 1880 to 1920 oshayc> but not 1870 Host VKN in AL> Well now that is good. oshayc> not really oshayc> 1870 has the meat that i'm looking for Host VKN in AL> Are they in the same location in all years Oshay oshayc> yes they were in the same location Smezz (MD)> VKN, are you familiar with the book Searching For Your Ancestors by Gilbert Doane and James Bell? oshayc> not familiar with the book Host VKN in AL> Smezz I am not familiar with those two authors. Do you find the book helpful Smezz? Smezz (MD)> It has a listing of the missing Census Records and what states they are missing. Smezz (MD)> If you like I can post this information on the site or e-mail you the information. Smezz (MD)> This could help others who cannot find Census records, and let them know what information they can use. Host VKN in AL> Oh that is good. oshayc> i know 1890 is missing oshayc> how successful have you been [Mon Nov 06 11:33:22 CST 2000] Anita(NJ): BEASON BOUIE BOWEN BUNTIN MARGERUM WILLIS WILLIAMS Host VKN in AL> Anita WELCOME and how are things in NJ? Smezz (MD)> Hi anita Anita(NJ)> Afternoon y'all Anita(NJ)> Need to get my glasses...hang on Anita(NJ)> Getting back to normal VKN Host VKN in AL> Glad to hear that Anita. Anita(NJ)> Thanx VKN Oshay do you have access to the 1870 for MS oshayc> yes, the library has the county and federal census for 1870 oshayc> i'll tell you what i have tried Host VKN in AL> Oshay the 1870 should have a printed index for MS. Did you find such? oshayc> yes, but it only lists head of the household oshayc> the problem is , i found mary campbell in 1880 there was a check in the box that said divorced or widowed oshayc> i figure she was widowded oshayc> i look up every campbell in 1870 and had no luck with the index oshayc> i looked line by line at the county they were in during 1880 and had no luck Anita(NJ)> XXXX got my fingers crossed fer ya Smezz (MD)> Oshay, have you searched all the counties in the area. oshayc> now i'm trying surrounding counties Anita(NJ)> Oshayc....I am stepping in late here but I do have a question for you Anita(NJ)> Do you know if when your Mary Campbell died? oshayc> there are only 82 counties Smezz (MD)> maybe other households, she may have moved in with another family or relative. Smezz (MD)> checkd other households oshayc> i dont know when mary campbell died, i only found her in the 1880 census oshayc> she didn't show up in the 1900 census oshayc> her 2 sons did oshayc> her daughters disappeared also Anita(NJ)> Ok...I was thinking that if you could find a maiden name it would give you another family name to look for. oshayc> i did check marriage records for that county and no luck there either Anita(NJ)> The daughters probably married. [Mon Nov 06 11:42:49 CST 2000] Art (Ohio): AA's in OH, IN, KY, NC and Ontario, Canada (Thomas, Lawrence, Reno, Allen, Scott, Adams, Walden) Hello and Greetings, Art in Ohio. How are you, Art? Anita(NJ)> Hey there Art, guess you got those chores done. Art (Ohio)> fine, hope the same is true for you all. Smezz (MD)> Hey Art Smezz (MD)> She may have moved in with one of her Daughters, Anita(NJ)> Female ancestors in 1870 are very hard to find. oshayc> but the strange thing about it, there were 4 daughters, the son oldest grandchild is 93 years old, she said that her grandfather only had 1 sister oshayc> which wasnt any of the 4 in the house in 1880 because this sister was married then oshayc> evidently their brothers never talked about their sisters Anita(NJ)> Oshayc...I found out that my ggrandmother had 3 more siblings than anyone ever knew about, they Anita(NJ)> all died under 12 years old and were never spoken of after a certain point. Anita(NJ)> My oldest living aunt (78) was surprised to hear that information. She never knew it. Oshay it is time to look at other sources to document Mary in 1870. oshayc> what are they????/ Oshay you will first want to determine if they were land owners If they were determine how and where they acquired the land. The land records can be quite revealing. oshayc> her son had land oshayc> i dont know how he got it oshayc> hmmmm oshayc> i'm going down there for thanksgiving so i'll get a chance to go to the court house You will then want to look at voter registration kists. They may not have registered BUT we do not want to leave a stone unturned. Look at the marriage books from 1866 forward. Determine if there are telephone books or Art (Ohio)> oshayc, Sorry I'm late..where is down there? oshayc> mississippi oshayc> land deeds, wills, and voter registration oshayc> i did look at marriage records and had no luck oshayc> when was the telephone invented Smezz (MD)> You can also check for tax records Art (Ohio)> okay, thanks... land deeds and estate settlements for sure, even if there was no will. (intestate papers) oshayc> tax records were destroyed Smezz (MD)> Maybe church records> oshayc> no church record, destroyed in a fire and Art It is also a good idea to go through loose papers. Gold mines sometimrs. Smezz (MD)> Also cemetaries Art (Ohio)> Possibly like some other southern States, special Census following CW. oshayc> i did go to the cemetaries oshayc> there was 1890 veterans census oshayc> state census stopped at 1866 Oshay I recommend that you look at the LDS catalog, which is on line, and determine what records are available in the locality. Make a list of those then set to search those records. oshayc> how often are you in here I would also send a query to the local genealogy society asking their help in uncovering the covered. What is the county in MS, Oshay? oshayc> panola county oshayc> vkn, i have to get ready to go to work but i will be in here tomorrow Smezz (MD)> Oshay, click on the chat schedule when you go to the Forum page. It will list the scheduled chats and times. oshayc> thanks everyone for your help We are here each Noon, Wednesday evenings and Saturday evenings. oshayc> i'll catch you tomorrow Smezz (MD)> Good luck, oshay oshayc> thanks a million Art (Ohio)> yes, good luck Oshay send me your email addy and I will be glad to connect you to Mel who is something of an expert with MS searching. Art (Ohio)> Anita, I'm sorry...today no chores today, just took an early "nap". Anita(NJ)> Art, I have been napping since Wednesday...I needed a break from it....LOL Anita that is what I did this morning. Art (Ohio)> Anita, have you caught up? Just slept most of it away. Anita(NJ)> I sure hope so....I picked up a bug and it would NOT let go. Anita(NJ)> I still have not killed that cotton picking thing yet but I am a workin on it. Art (Ohio)> Get rested everyone, we need you bright-eyed and alert when you go to vote ..tomorrow. Anita(NJ)> you got it Art Smezz (MD)> Yes Smezz (MD)> Did anyone see the posting on the Discuss board about voting? Smezz (MD)> Did Art (Ohio)> not yet. Anita(NJ)> I didn't get that far yet today Smezz (MD)> It wants feedback on voting in the Local area. Anita(NJ)> uh oh...Art got bumped Smezz (MD)> Anita, I hope you feel better soon. Anita(NJ)> Thanx Smezz, I am sure I will...forced rest will do the trick [Mon Nov 06 12:02:41 CST 2000] Art (Ohio): AA's in OH, IN KY, NC Anita(NJ)> I never just do it because I should....the body has to shut down in order for me to get enough. Smezz (MD)> That's true Ouch for Art. Art (Ohio)> OOPS, I disconnected, back now Anita(NJ)> Art did you get a boo boo? Art (Ohio)> yeah, tried to go to discuss board and then back to chat. guess I can't do that. Art (Ohio)> but I'm learning...give me awhile, then I will be DANGEROUS LOL Take as much time as it takes, Art, LOL Smezz (MD)> Art Click on the bottom where you see afrigeneas I have three, boxes on the bottom of mine, that way you won't lose the chat. Art (Ohio)> Okay, I've got three. Guess I clicked the wrong one. don't give me any choices :-)) Anita(NJ)> I have several windows open and it works. Yes Smezz I am learning also. I do not have three boxes Anita(NJ)> Now you got it...guess we will be in trouble now!! Anita(NJ)> Which board was it on Smezz? Smezz (MD)> Watch out now!!!!! Anita(NJ)> Never mind...got it Smezz (MD)> Discuss board Oh I see I did begin to get caught up with getting the logs on line. Did yall see? Anita(NJ)> Thanx Smezz, I read it. Smezz (MD)> Yes Great! Art (Ohio)> Yes and Thanks, enjoyed reading them Anita(NJ)> Now we will know when people don't answer us that they are out browsing the boards...lol LOL Anita that sounds like Clint. One would think he was in the chat and he would be out scouting all over the place. Art (Ohio)> Been seeing some very good tips, suggestions posted the forum and Newbie sections, Smezz you sound like an expert. Anita(NJ)> I know. He was so funny at times when he did that. Smezz (MD)> Hardly, I just pick up things as I go along. Smezz (MD)> Who's Clint? There was a great crowd of people at the Saturday chat. Anita(NJ)> Clint was our Editor in Chief for the Newsletter Anita(NJ)> And co-founder of the mailing list Smezz (MD)> O.K. Must have been about 30 or more. Art (Ohio)> Really!!!!! Smezz (MD)> The most I counted at one time was 16 Anita(NJ)> He passed away a year ago tomorrow. Smezz (MD)> but people where coming and going Anita(NJ)> I fell asleep before I could get there :( Smezz (MD)> Sorry to hear that. Art (Ohio)> How did it "flow"? ::: sigh ::: Art I thought it went exceptionally well. Art (Ohio)> Good, very good It was sort of a free for all with a good flow. Art (Ohio)> Will the log be posted.......soon I was thinking about the sadness of aaaaaaaaaapost about the 4 enslaved children. Wondering how much anger that dredges up and if it does Art (Ohio)> VKN, understand you won't be here tomorrow would it be helpful to chat about it? Anita(NJ)> I read that post this am How did it grab you, Anita? Anita(NJ)> VKN...the hard part about that is that we know that these things happened but to Anita(NJ)> see it in writing strikes a new chord. Art I will be here but may be late. Art (Ohio)> Yes, the feelings are terrible. I found an estate record where an ancestor had a value of $1.00 Anita(NJ)> It made me think about how much we take for granted Anita(NJ)> I am almost haunted by the statement my gg grandfather made that says.. Smezz (MD)> VKN, that is a good thought, it would give us a way for us to understand our frustrations in finding our ancestors. Anita(NJ)> "I left my owners plantation" Smezz (MD)> Those missing links Yes as if we were already in our present status which is not that great, collectively. Art (Ohio)> described as an "old" negro woman worth $1.00 Anita(NJ)> It sounds harmless but you know he had to run away and fear for his life the whole time Anita(NJ)> and yet it was just a matter of fact statement to him (or so it seems) Smezz (MD)> It gives us a better appreciation of how blessed we are today. And how far we have come. I am sure you are right, Anita. Anita(NJ)> That really bugs me....that a life could be summed up in dollars and cents. Anita(NJ)> I don't get angry I just get more determined to make sure that my children and grandchildren understand Smezz (MD)> VKN, ? Anita(NJ)> the stock from which they come AND... Smezz (MD)> That's good Anita Art (Ohio)> And many ran away. They didn't pass the fugitive slave laws because we were happy on the plantation. Anita(NJ)> that they know that there is almost nothing that they can not endure and overcome. Anita(NJ)> What gets me really steamed is when people get upset because there were those slaves who felt Smezz (MD)> We all must do that, it seems the farther we get from slavery, the more we forget our past Anita(NJ)> that they had been treated well by ole massa. Anita(NJ)> I think that they were probably happy to not have been whipped or sold and to them that was good treatment. Smezz (MD)> Anita, that may be true, considering the circumstances. They master down the road may have been meaner than their own. Anita(NJ)> I get upset when I read posts where we try to apply today's value system to the lives of our ancestors and KNOW that it can't be done. Art (Ohio)> One more reason to get our "stuff' in the OTHER gen groups. the Revisionist are some dangerous folks. Smezz (MD)> Thats true Anita(NJ)> We can't know for sure but I surely think that for some just being alive was good treatment in itself. Anita(NJ)> The other side of this is almost comical though. Anita(NJ)> For the first time in 10 years of physical research and 4 years of online research I have these Anita(NJ)> well meaning white folks out to claim me and help me prove my ties to them. Anita(NJ)> That's ok by me BUT I ain't ready to go the "hey cuz" route yet. Anita(NJ)> Just help me tie up loose ends first and then I MAY let them "own" me...and then maybe not Art (Ohio)> Like immigration, I heard a fellow (Black) say we didn't come as family groups and we darn sure didn't send for our relatives. I thought WOW, how true. Anita(NJ)> Although it is kind of eerie to discover that I have come back to where this line orginated and never knew that. Anita(NJ)> They "landed" or settled in Bucks County, PA with a strong foot hold in NJ and went to GA and TN Anita(NJ)> Now in a round about way severl gens later here I come to PA and then NJ. Anita(NJ)> weird!!!! Anita(NJ)> I find myself sitting up at night looking heavenwards and trying to tell my mom about this. BREAK IN CONNECTION Anita(NJ)> Yet the given names go back and forth and criss cross like lines in a spiderweb. Art (Ohio)> Anita, I have descendants of a La Force family who lost my 5th ggma in an Indian raid (1780) and today they still want to know what happened to theri slaves. Think they're trying to reclaim me and my kids lol. Anita(NJ)> I would watch out if I were you Art. Art (Ohio)> Please, cover my back :-)) Anita(NJ)> I can see you now doing those chores for threat of life and limb...lol Anita(NJ)> VKN...here you can have half of my bandaid. Anita(NJ)> We got kicked out together....must have been being naughty. Smezz (MD)> There coming for that blackfoot? :_)) Anita(NJ)> You know I hate to laugh about the blackfoot thing Thanx a heap! Anita(NJ)> but there are too many people buying into it. There has to be something somewhere Art (Ohio)> smezz, as I said before. In my family "missed feet, got everything elsa. Anita(NJ)> When I was in Chicago. Anita(NJ)> My cousin asked me which Indians were in my dad's family Smezz (MD)> lol Anita(NJ)> and before I could answer her husband said..."Aw...Y'all know it wasn't anything but "blackfeet" Anita(NJ)> which of course started a war between the two of them. Anita(NJ)> Now for my part I can't find any connection to any "feet" so we might be related to Art inthe "missed feet" Anita(NJ)> tribe. Anita(NJ)> The other funny thing is that I can almost document Choctaw in my mother's line but nobody has ever asked and I haven't decided yet to pursue Anita(NJ)> that avenue because there is so much that I can document that needs to be done first. Anita(NJ)> I still wonder about that AA-NA fascination. Anita(NJ)> I say...we is who we is....a not so careful mixing of the colors of the rainbow. LOL Anita it is called ABB Also known as Anything But Black. Anita(NJ)> LOL Art (Ohio)> About that Indian raid. Thought I might have had some NA "hook-up". But it turns out that their were several men (Black) slaves captured in the same raid. so who knows? Anita(NJ)> Gotcha Anita(NJ)> Art...I think that that is really how our mixing came to be. Anita(NJ)> It all goes back to one somebody needing to own and take advantage of another somebody. Anita(NJ)> Either way you shape it...it still comes out the same...different colors but the same dress. Anita(NJ)> I wonder if that is where some of us get our controlling nature from. Good and enriching discussion today! Anita(NJ)> I try not to be but in mothering I find myself being a control freak. Anita(NJ)> I don't want to own them....just tell them what to do cause I KNOW best....LOL Art (Ohio)> Ever notice, how in records, it is more often son of (female), seldom son of (male)..not to be rude, but it holds true Mama's baby, Daddy's maybe. Anita(NJ)> My mom used to say that all the time. Bad Bad Art! Go to your room, LOL Anita(NJ)> She said you can always guess about a daddy but you never have to guess about a mother. Smezz (MD)> Art,Its that master thing. Art (Ohio)> Said I didn't mean to be rude VKN, but we're talkin bout shaft lol Anita(NJ)> I guess that has a bad connotation because when I was married there were two things that NO ONE could sya to my ex But remember in the days of Kings and Queens of England there were always tricks of changing at birth. So anybody can be kin to everybody. Anita(NJ)> one was...go to H.... and the other was to call him a B...... and I always asked him Anita(NJ)> why if someone called him a bas....that he would get so upset because he knew who his parents were Anita(NJ)> he could never explain but boy I sure hated for those family gatherings when people had one too many and that word came out. We be touchy when it comes to name calling. Anita(NJ)> course we couldn't say it cause my mother would have our hides on plates at dinner time so Anita(NJ)> I was nice and never called him that. Might have thought it once or twice but my parents didn't raise any fools. Art will you sit in in my stead on tomorrow? Art (Ohio)> I've got a LOT of premature births in my family lines......7 month babies....I was 4 months before marriage....first, anytime..takes 9 months for the rest. and Smezz and Anita will you shore him up? Anita(NJ)> I plan to be here. Smezz (MD)> I won't be here tommorw. sorry. Art (Ohio)> I have a DR. appointment at 1:00 ,Can try for the 1st 45 mins Anita(NJ)> You can be sure I'll sit in and make sure Art gets his extra chores done. Anita(NJ)> Well Art if you come and get us started I can probably hold the rear. Art (Ohio)> okay That is good Art. Anita(NJ)> Is that like an attack plan Art (Ohio)> 12:00....right? Anita(NJ)> I can't ride a horse so I'll have to be infantry...lol Smezz (MD)> Sorry that will miss you tommorrow and Smezz will joing it all in the middle. Anita(NJ)> You guys are so funny and easy to hang out with. I missed you Thursday and Friday. Smezz (MD)> Well I must go, see you all on Wed. High Noon Art Anita(NJ)> Heading for 2pm so I had better try to do one or two more things today. The lights have blinked. Art (Ohio)> If that's it, will see y'all tomorrow, Anita(NJ)> See ya at Noon tomorrow Art. Will miss VKN and Smezz but will see you on Wednesday. Anita(NJ)> Bye for now Bye you great people Will catch you sometime tomorrow!
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