AfriGeneas BookClub Chat Log - Wed 13 Mar 2002
[Wed 13 Mar 9:pm EST 2002]

Geder (Jeter in CA)> [Our Topic tonight is 'Every Tongue Got to 
   Confess' - Negro Folk tales from the Gulf States, by Zora Neale 
   Hurston]
Geder (Jeter in CA)> [Also...'Redemption Song' by Bertice Berry is 
   the Afrigeneas Book Club selection for April.]
Geder (Jeter in CA)> [And all things Genealogical!...wherever it leads

   us!]
Geder  (Jeter in CA)> We'll be informal since there's so few here...
k wyer lane> I haven't read Berry's book but read Hurston's awhile 
   ago.
k wyer lane> Why did you choose the books?
Geder (Jeter in CA)> Hopefully, Alta will be here after 6:30pm 
   pacific...
k wyer lane> I forget that you are in CA...I still think of you as a
ny 
   person
Geder (Jeter in CA)> I chose the Hurston book for its folkloric 
   qualities...
k wyer lane> Has any film been done on her?  Documentary?
Geder  (Jeter in CA)> ..the book can contain clues for researchers...
Geder  (Jeter in CA)> I haven't seen any film on her as yet..
Geder  (Jeter in CA)> Good Evening Alta!
AltaCann(MD)> ::::::::: entering with skid marks!
AltaCann(MD)> Greetings, all
Geder (Jeter in CA)> lol, slow down lady....small gathering here 
   tonight...
k wyer lane> Hi Alta!
AltaCann(MD)> Hello, K Wyer!
AltaCann(MD)> quality not quantity
k wyer lane> Hi I was just asking George about Zora's life. I read that

   she was criticized by Richard Wright
Geder (Jeter in CA)> K, to answer your earlier Q, Zora was born in 
   Notsaluga (sp), Alabama in 1891..
> Notasulga
Geder  (Jeter in CA)> Thanks, STG!
k wyer lane> As being too "folksy" and not serious enough or angry 
   enough
> yw
AltaCann(MD)> It seems that Z was a bit eccentric yet prolific in 
   nature
AltaCann(MD)> She left some serious legacies at Howard Univ. 
   during her short stint there and the most importnat one remains 
   today
Geder  (Jeter in CA)> Good evening RCS
RCS> good evening all
k wyer lane> Hello!Geder (Jeter in CA)> [Our Topic tonight is 'Every
Tongue Got to 
   Confess' - Negro Folk tales from the Gulf States, by Zora Neale 
   Hurston]
Geder (Jeter in CA)> [Also...'Redemption Song' by Bertice Berry is 
   the Afrigeneas Book Club selection for April.]
Geder (Jeter in CA)> [And all things Genealogical!...wherever it leads

   us!]
Geder  (Jeter in CA)> We'll be informal since there's so few here...
k wyer lane> I haven't read Berry's book but read Hurston's awhile 
   ago.
k wyer lane> Why did you choose the books?
Geder (Jeter in CA)> Hopefully, Alta will be here after 6:30pm 
   pacific...
k wyer lane> I forget that you are in CA...I still think of you as a
ny 
   person
Geder (Jeter in CA)> I chose the Hurston book for its folkloric 
   qualities...
k wyer lane> Has any film been done on her?  Documentary?
Geder  (Jeter in CA)> ..the book can contain clues for researchers...
Geder  (Jeter in CA)> I haven't seen any film on her as yet..
Geder  (Jeter in CA)> Good Evening Alta!
AltaCann(MD)> ::::::::: entering with skid marks!
AltaCann(MD)> Greetings, all
Geder (Jeter in CA)> lol, slow down lady....small gathering here 
   tonight...
k wyer lane> Hi Alta!
AltaCann(MD)> Hello, K Wyer!
AltaCann(MD)> quality not quantity
k wyer lane> Hi I was just asking George about Zora's life. I read that

   she was criticized by Richard Wright
Geder (Jeter in CA)> K, to answer your earlier Q, Zora was born in 
   Notsaluga (sp), Alabama in 1891..
> Notasulga
Geder  (Jeter in CA)> Thanks, STG!
k wyer lane> As being too "folksy" and not serious enough or angry 
   enough
> yw
AltaCann(MD)> It seems that Z was a bit eccentric yet prolific in 
   nature
AltaCann(MD)> She left some serious legacies at Howard Univ. 
   during her short stint there and the most importnat one remains 
   today
Geder  (Jeter in CA)> Good evening RCS
RCS> good evening all
k wyer lane> Hello!

AltaCann(MD)> She was responsible for naming the student 
   newspaper "The Hilltop!" which yet bears the name and was recently

   voted manon the best of all college student newspapers.
AltaCann(MD)> manon=among
AltaCann(MD)> Hody, Richard
AltaCann(MD)> Howdy
RCS> Hody to you too
AltaCann(MD)> LOL
AltaCann(MD)> K Wyer, I suspect that some of Z'z criticism 
   stemmed from her gender, as these men were quite unkind to both Z

   and Dorothy West
AltaCann(MD)> Both excellent writers though their styles varied 
   greatly
k wyer lane> Yes that is what I have read...but there was so little

   space for black writers...and men dominated the black literary 
   world....so
AltaCann(MD)> Their common thread was the tenancity and 
   fierceness of thier nature ...
k wyer lane> that is no excuse. I remember the Richard Wright 
   Jimmy Baldwin feud too
RCS> And ZORA wasn't city enough
RCS> and addressing the black struggle issues
AltaCann(MD)> and probably not bourgie enough either
RCS> rather she was celebrating black culture as she found it
RCS> in the rural south
Geder (It's me in CA> My apologies, I got dropped by earthlink....
RCS> without dwelling on the black/white issues
AltaCann(MD)> Not much different from major Black forces today ... 
   discord among the race and the expectation that everyone should 
   adher to the same agenda
Geder (It's me in CA> The Harlem Renaisance writers didn't think she

   was edgy (sometimes read whiny) enough...
AltaCann(MD)> I am trying to remember something that Alice Walker 
   said about Z's difficulties ... but Walker spoke more from the 
   womanist attitude versus the race conciousness
AltaCann(MD)> also typical Walker
AltaCann(MD)> Though, I do credit Walker for introducing  me to Z
Geder (It's me in CA> (STG or K; can you send me the first part of 
   the chat?)
k wyer lane> No you lost our Jorge
AltaCann(MD)> ... and perhaps introducing many of us to Z by 
   resurecting Z's works
AltaCann(MD)> VKN .... my eyes tear with joy!
RCS> They were stadard reading in 1970?!

Geder (It's me in CA> Yes, and I think Z's autobiography will reveal

   much!
veekayinn~Alabama> Joy! Joy!
Geder (It's me in CA> Good evening VKN...
k wyer lane> It was Walker that found her unmarked grave? 
k wyer lane> Hi Valencia
veekayinn~Alabama> Kathleen!!!!!!
veekayinn~Alabama> STG!!!!!!!!
veekayinn~Alabama> RCS!!!!!!!
RCS> JOY JOY!
veekayinn~Alabama> Alta !!!!!!!!
veekayinn~Alabama> Host Geder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> hi vkn
> brb
Geder (It's me in CA> Yes K, but Alice got the birth date incorrect...
k wyer lane> Where does this book fit in with the rest of Zora's work?

   Better than Their Eyes were Watching God?
AltaCann(MD)> Richard, I attended Howard in the early 70's and I do

   not remember discovering her until the early to mid 80s ... sadly,
I do 
   not remember HU AA literature classes requiri
RCS> This book is not a book so much as a collectoin of 
   notes/anecdotes
Geder (It's me in CA> Well, these were recently discovered 
   manuscripts..
AltaCann(MD)> requiring us to read Z
AltaCann(MD)> ZNH
RCS> SIU Carbondale had her in both women's lit and Black lit 
   courses
AltaCann(MD)> Yes, Geder, this particular selection was recently 
   discovered
AltaCann(MD)> That figures, Richard .... but why not HU where she 
   lectured and assisted students with the newspaper
Geder (It's me in CA> Z is the author of 8 books; four novels, three

   books of folklore, and her autobiography...plus essays and shorter

   works..
AltaCann(MD)> Given, I was not a literature major, but I wasgreat 
   reader of any AA literature I could find
AltaCann(MD)> IT took Alice Walker to introduce her to me and I 
   floored when I learned of ZNH's HU contributions
Geder (It's me in CA> Good evening Didessa (didn't see you come in)
AltaCann(MD)> Just speculating, but I also suspect that her early 
   use of the AA venacular was not well received at the Capstone
RCS> It's many times easier to see the importance of someone at a 
   distance
didessa> hello 
didessa> just watching 
RCS> and we're going to watch back!
RCS> and we ARE waiting for the AMOS report from STG
AltaCann(MD)> RCS, you also do not know HU .... great school but 
   sometimes contemptous to those not of the bourgie mind thought
> keep waiting Richard :)
RCS> He's calling to you
> no he isn't
RCS> I've heard that about HOWARD
AltaCann(MD)> I graduated from HU and worked there .... quite an 
   interesting creature! :)
RCS> kids from St Louis regularly go on tours of the historical black

   colleges
AltaCann(MD)> However, I do attribute my finer points to the 
   experience
RCS> so we get SOME news
AltaCann(MD)> I can identify that HU arrogance a mile away
Geder (It's me in CA> lol at Alta!
AltaCann(MD)> You can always tell a Howard Grad but you can't tell 
   'em much!
Geder (It's me in CA> Alta, tell us about the Offline Book Club!
AltaCann(MD)> The club got off to a great start, the second meeting

   was also well attended but a severe rainstorm hampered attendance

   last night
AltaCann(MD)> Mostly, the member are new folks to genealogy, 
   requiring the very basics
AltaCann(MD)> We are planning a group visit to NARA
AltaCann(MD)> Alice Sykes and I have attended all three meetings
AltaCann(MD)> Alcie also located a distant cousing on AfriGeneas, 
   who lives nearby and brought her to the last meeting
didessa> goodnight
k wyer lane> So Alta...what does the group want to know? what is 
   the number one thing that is brought up?
AltaCann(MD)> We are still feeling our way through the process
Geder (It's me in CA> Fantastic;....and goodnight Didessa
AltaCann(MD)> They all want the African ancestor 
AltaCann(MD)> I should say the first African ancestor
k wyer lane> interesting  and nothing in between?
Geder (It's me in CA> What kind of in-store support is B&N giving?
AltaCann(MD)> What they needed was to understand the basics and 
   how to trace back
AltaCann(MD)> Tremendous support .... large posters annoucing the 
   meetings a week or two out and monthly recognition in the instore

   events newsletter
AltaCann(MD)> Also, we will be implementing a book discussion with 
   a prominent author but it will take planning
AltaCann(MD)> We are both in the discovery phase of how to best 
   proceed
AltaCann(MD)> Mainly, they are grateful for the traffic
Geder (It's me in CA> That's great! Is this something that can be 
   easily duplicated nationally? With the Bowie store as the model?
AltaCann(MD)> We have a wonderful space reserved for the club and 
   are allowed to sip coffee and such
AltaCann(MD)> I believe so, I have sent information to Lorretta Moore

   in Topeka, KS
AltaCann(MD)> and I have had inquiries 
RCS> so publish a how-to newsletter
AltaCann(MD)> They are also going to promote the Berry book and 
   stock it to see if we can draw more folks
Geder (It's me in CA> Kool!
AltaCann(MD)> Great idea, RCS, I just need more of me and time, 
   however, Alice Sykes is the official assistant
RCS> is she of the Mississippi SYKES?
AltaCann(MD)> She was my pinch hitter last month when my new job 
   kicked in
AltaCann(MD)> I am not certain VA and PA, I think
AltaCann(MD)> She has been a Godsend
RCS> there were a bunch in Monroe co, MS
AltaCann(MD)> Hmmmm...I msut send her the transcript 
RCS> ministers and everything
RCS> My Hales lived with one
k wyer lane> guys, I have to run...great to chat with you all. 
RCS> goodnight
k wyer lane> take care
AltaCann(MD)> Wow, she is really seeking SYKES info ...I have a 
   Hale collateral connection originating in VA
AltaCann(MD)> Niters, K
Geder (It's me in CA> Is there anything that the Family could or 
   should do to bolster the Afrigeneas-B&N relationship?
RCS> some connected LENOIRs grew up on the SYKEs plantation
AltaCann(MD)> My goal is to get us a grant from their foundation as

   the relationship develps
AltaCann(MD)> Geder, what I need are ideas and suggestions 
AltaCann(MD)> Ialso need to promote it better locally
RCS> ideas as in books?  promo ideas? or what?
AltaCann(MD)> Promo ideas, specifically and potential authors for a

   special events
AltaCann(MD)> I need all and any connections
AltaCann(MD)> Yeah, I am outta her shortly
AltaCann(MD)> here
Geder (It's me in CA> Kool!,  We're on it.
RCS> HAve you contacted highschool/college instructors in the 
   area?
AltaCann(MD)> No, I have not ... great idea ... an HBCUis located 
   here
AltaCann(MD)> Bowie State University
RCS> ALL the colleges
Geder (It's me in CA> Let's try to contact Bertice Berry.....ya never

   know...
RCS> or even grade schools and find Af-am childrens book authors
AltaCann(MD)> and HU is just down the road piece with Catholic U, 
   Georgetown, GWU, Trinity and UDC
AltaCann(MD)> OK ... will get on it
RCS> Can't hurt to mail out flyers to the English departments
AltaCann(MD)> Thanks RCS, many great minds here
AltaCann(MD)> I do want to maintain the genealogy focus
RCS> Perhaps lesser known children's book writers would be more 
   interested in the publicity
AltaCann(MD)> Thanks for allof the great ideas
RCS> SSo do a genealogy with/for children
AltaCann(MD)> Wonderful!
AltaCann(MD)> A good way to get them interested early
RCS> give them blank 5 generation charts to fill out with "big mama"
AltaCann(MD)> I am starting a genealogy club at my Metropolitan 
   Police Boys and Girls Clubs in DC
RCS> Boyscouts/ gives a badge
AltaCann(MD)> This is really incredible
AltaCann(MD)> Girl Scouts, too
AltaCann(MD)> I especially like this one, makes them learn to 
   research
veekayinn~Alabama> ( ouch!  did Geder get booted?)
Geder> Sorry, I got dumped again
AltaCann(MD)> builds a sense of pride
AltaCann(MD)> I am logging Geder
Geder> Thanks, Alta
RCS> Julius HUNTER, a St Louis person has written a howto, as well 
   as HONEY ISLAND
RCS> He's a ST Louis broadcast journalist
AltaCann(MD)> Thanks, RCS
AltaCann(MD)> I must leave now
AltaCann(MD)> Geder, I will send a log up to this point
RCS> Honey Island is about finding his MS roots
Geder> Thanks and blessings Alta!
AltaCann(MD)> Great hanging with you folks tonight
Geder> Kool!
AltaCann(MD)> YVW
veekayinn~Alabama> Niters Allta
AltaCann(MD)> Richard, Thanks so much
RCS> you are welcome anytime
AltaCann(MD)> VKN ... great to see you here and know that you are 
   seeing everything so well
AltaCann(MD)> Geder, my son, my pride and joy!
AltaCann(MD)> STG, one of the faithful
Geder> Mom! you teach me well!
AltaCann(MD)> okay, making one last copy tag and then gone from 
   here
AltaCann(MD)> Nite, all .... smooches!
> nite Alta
RCS> goodnight
Geder> Folks, and that concludes this evening's chat (officially 
   speaking)
RCS> so is it time for the AMOS report?
veekayinn~Alabama> I enjoyed the discussion. I too must bid 
   farewell.
RCS> goodnight
Geder> Nite, VKN!
veekayinn~Alabama> Niters to all!!!!!!!!!



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